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Polygraph malarkey
Avispon
Ancient methods for trying to determine a persons honesty include the sangoma’s shaking of bones and the soothsayer’s reading of entrails. Modern-day versions of this dream of divination include the polygraph and the voice stress analysis.

Let this be made clear: in South African employment law, neither of these “tests” (and I use the word very loosely) can on their own prove the guilt or innocence of a person accused. Not even if an employment contact requires the undergoing of such a test, does a “failure” or “deception“ absolve an employer of the requirement to prove misconduct using other evidence. At best, a polygraph can provide one piece of the entire jigsaw puzzle that is the evidence before a presiding officer.

Oh, of course the peddlers of these tests will tell you how reliable they are, and even testify to that effect. What they generally fail to deal with, is the simple fact that reputable independent academic psychological testing conducted according to very strict scientific method procedures, shows them to be unreliable and inconsistent to a significant degree.

The Labour Appeal Court has held that even if their use is agreed upon in the employment contract, the reason for the test must still be rational. Commissioners (ahem) of the CCMA have, for example, reinstated security guards who were “retrenched” for failing random polygraph tests, insisted upon in the contract between client companies and the security company. The conduct of the employer, arising from the contract, was held to be in that respect, a violation of public policy and unfair.

If you want to have some fun with a polygraph or voice stress analysis tester, ensure he straps you in and sets himself up, and then before he kicks off, casually mention that you hope the beta-blocker medication you are currently using does not affect his test. Then enjoy his frustration, as he unhooks you and has to face the prospect of no fee for the day. This is the best way to avoid a polygraph or VSA.

Poor little high - tech shaman…although I’m sure these types wish that water-boarding of employees under investigation was legal.

If you have other definitive proof that you are not guilty, like being absent that day…and want to have some fun…
With a polygraph, stick a drawing pin in your shoe, and press on it with your big toe every time they ask you a question, near the end of the question, before your answer. Or if you have no drawing pin, just clench your anal sphincter up at the same point in the question. Sniff hard, a lot, and mumble, and say you don’t understand the question can they please repeat it. Look frightened and submissive, even if you are about to burst with laughter.
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E_CTFSi
Thanks for the tips...

We make a point of not dismissing based on polygraph evidence alone, we have burnt our fingers enough times to know Thumbs Up
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Avispon
It's good to know that some companies get this.

I'm just puzzled by the choice of a company to use poligraphy at all, it being such a small part of possible evidence. It's normally expensive as well. Good old-fashioned witnesses and physical evidence, combined with common sense/ logic and probability, (which applies to polygraph results anyway) is waay more convincing.

I would not bother with a polygraph process at all, given the law's approach to it.
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Lucio Bravo
Fortunately, the company i work for doesnt employ these methods, they prefer to victimise (spelling) staff and mentally/emotionally erode them to the point where they have no choice but to resign for the sake of their sanity... and if that fails, they aim for contsructive dismissal.... oh look.. that the 3rd one out the door this month :(
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Avispon
Lucio Bravo wrote:

Fortunately, the company i work for doesnt employ these methods, they prefer to victimise (spelling) staff and mentally/emotionally erode them to the point where they have no choice but to resign for the sake of their sanity... and if that fails, they aim for contsructive dismissal.... oh look.. that the 3rd one out the door this month :(


Overwork, etc... the only remedy really is a resignation and a claim of constructive dismissal. This is a serious hole in our employment law, considering that a person cannot whilst still being an employee, take this issue on at the CCMA. It doers not fall into the unfair labour practice (ULP) category of disputes. Except where one can show that the employer is "disciplining" an employee in an "off the books" method, and therefore claim unfair conduct of the employer in respect of disciplinary action short of dismissal. If you are going to claim constructive dismissal, make damn sure that you put a grievance in writing, allow time for them to remedy it, and if it doers not work, make sure you say why you are leaving in the resignation letter. Otherwise, you are wasting your time.

Lucio, sounds like your company has a shyte HR retention policy - wtf, why bother to go to the trouble (money and time) to recruit you most vauable resource, and then treat them like shyte. F*#king stupid.
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Lucio Bravo
Avispon wrote:

Lucio, sounds like your company has a shyte HR retention policy - wtf, why bother to go to the trouble (money and time) to recruit you most vauable resource, and then treat them like shyte. F*#king stupid.


Amen!!!! i had some issues, with them and asked the same question "why hire me in the first place?" initially it bugged me as i was also on the managements sh!t list... but after a few meetings and doing my homework, these guys dont know their elbows from the arseholes and hate me even more.. difference is after i dealt with them.... they stay very far away from me and it would appear i'm no longer a feasible target... its amazing what you can achieve when you do your homework and face your opponent confidently.
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Avispon
That's the bit most forget - homework, evidence, cover your @rse. In all cases.
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